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Naval button?

I found this at an former telegraph, pony express and stage stop in NV. It looks like a rivet used mostly for leather or pouches from my research but I really can't ID it for sure

Know Your Rivets

Rivets are the unsung heroes of the manufacturing industry.

They offer supreme fastening capabilities for light and heavy-duty applications alike, and they have been used for decades on everything from submarines to aircraft to sheet-metal assemblies.

Rivets are ideal for supporting shear and tensile loads, as well as watertight applications.

Just what is a rivet? A rivet is a mechanical fastener consisting of a smooth, cylindrical shaft with a head. Upon installation, the end of the shaft expands, creating a “shop head” and fastening objects in place.

There are many types of rivets: blind rivets, solid rivets, tubular rivets, drive rivets, split rivets, shoulder rivets, tinners rivets, mate rivets, and belt rivets. Each type of rivet has unique benefits, making each ideal for a different type of fastening. They’re are also available in different materials, sizes and finishes, as needed.

Learn all there is to know about selvedge denim here!

2) Inspect the red tab

If there’s a Big E on it, you’re well on your way to the big jackpot. If the red tab only has lettering on one side (the one facing the front) the jeans are pre-1955. Still, if it’s a small e red tab has your find might still be worth buying.

The iconic Levi’s red tab with a Big E.

3) Care tag

Inspect for a care tag, if you find one the jeans are post-mid-1970s. Be aware that fakes and Levi’s Vintage Clothing jeans can have both Big E and care tag.

4) Single stitch back pockets

Do the jeans have ‘single stitch’ back pockets, i.e. lock stitches and not chain stitches on the horisontal double felled seams on the top of the pockets? If this is the case, the jeans were produced before 1976 (roughly).

5) Rivets

Inspect the rivets. If the back pockets have hidden rivets (replaced by bartack around 1966) and if the back plates of the rivets are silver coloured with lowered letters the jeans are post-1966. If the back plates are copper it’s really getting interesting. And if the letters are raised and not lowered you are holding a pair of pre-1960s jeans, and chances are that you will get goosebumps all over.

6) Patch

Inspect the patch. A leather patch, contrary to the ‘leather-like’ cardboard patch, is an indicator that the jeans were produced before 1955.

7) Buttons

You have probably noticed by now, but the next thing you need to inspect is the front of the buttons. If it’s donut buttons with laurel leafs then the jeans were produced during WWII. This can be verified by painted arcuates (if still visible) and front pocket bags of varying fabrics, e.g. in green. These jeans are very hard to come by.

8) Cinch or no cinch

Another thing you probably noticed right away, if it’s there, is the back cinch. If there is one and everything above has been checked off, then the jeans are pre-1937. This can be verified by a crotch rivet at the base on the button fly. Most jeans this old are on the hands of either the Levi’s Archives or collectors.

Anything older than this, for instance without belt loops or with one back pocket only, is either lying around in the Nevada desert or locked up in a fire and earthquake proof safe, and will probably not be put up for sale for less that what you pay for a midsized car or a trip around the world.

How to date a Zebco 33 fishing reel

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Credit for this post goes to dustyjoe.

I will soon be 68 and have used Zebco 33’s since my dad bought his first in 1955. I have about 300 of them from the first black one to the ones made about 10 years ago. So here is what I know about how to date a 33.

The 1955-56 reels are black anodized aluminum cover, chrome plated aluminum body reels with brass bevel gears and smooth as silk. They have a bait click, but no anti-reverse.

The 1957 reel had one extra, Feathertouch.

In 1958, the colors were reversed, chrome-plated covers and black body and the anti-reverse was added. It is about the best looking 33 ever made and very hard to find with good chrome. I’ve been told that this is because Zebco almost went broke replacing flaking covers.

1959 saw the start of 25 years of stainless steel covers.

From 1959-1967, there were several changes the earlier bodies were anodized before they were painted and were rather purple looking inside while the later ones were just raw aluminum. There were too many changes to list here, but the main things are that they dropped the Feathertouch and went to steel gears.

Around 1968, Zebco advertised the weight 1/4oz. lighter and said the body was made of Lexan.

From 1968-1983, when the original 33 was dropped, they made 4 different style bodies. I’ve been told that it just depended on which supplier made the bodies, but my experience tells me otherwise. I believe that the first style has 2 rivets in line in the foot. I suspect that they started having bodies crack through the rivets. To try to prevent it, they used 2 offset rivets and a flat spot in the mounting foot. The 3rd and 4th tries are similar and both use one larger rivet. However, the 3rd style has tabs on either side of the foot that extend about a 1/4″ into the body and are about 60 degrees and lean toward each other. The 1980 25th Anniversary reel was this style.

The 4th and final style had the tabs leaning away from each other and the last ones they made had a zinc crank gear instead of steel. In 1984 the 33 N started and It’s all downhill from there on. You can tell within a year of two when a 33 was built.

Here are 5 photos that Dick Braun just sent me that he wanted put on here.

This is a medallion from a 50th Anniversary 33 showing the 1954-2004 dates.

This is a page from Zebco’s first catalog from 1956.

This is the other side of that page. Tommy was telling me that he had seen this ad and maybe has it. This confirms what Tommy and I have been talking about lately, that the 44 was Chrome the year before the 33 was. Dick just pointed out that the picture of the 33 doesn’t have a cover lock, so this was a stock photo of the early field tester reel that they put out for testing and got complaints of the covers falling off. Because of that, they put the cover lock on the production reels.

Now this is a Field & Stream Ad from Dec. 1956, which would confirm that in 1957, the 33 was still Black, while the 44 was Chrome. Again as Dick said, this 33 photo is a stock one that doesn’t have the cover lock.

Now this is a production list that, I think Dick Braun and Danny Wolf, compiled from the one that Zebco put out about 1998. I was under the impression that Dick and Danny had done this list, but Dick says that it was from Zebco, I guess a later one than the one that they did in the late 90s that I got from them.

OK Richard, there they are. Jim

Skip smith is a master veteran and an all time top contributor at Fishing Talks.

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Hi Tj, Yes there is, but not on a blog comment. Go to the “Ask a New Question” box, ask your question or whatever, and there will be a “Attach Photo” button you can click to add your photos. Also, I started a blog a while back while in the hospital, which I need to finish, but it explains the changes the 33 went through over the years from 1955 to 1983. The name of it is The Zebco 33, their all time best seller. Jim

For many denim lovers, hunting for worn and vintage jeans and jackets is a favourite hobby. Especially with vintage Levi’s denim jackets you can potentially make a big score, but there are certain characteristics of the design and production details you need to know.

Depending on where you live, you may find a number of second hand and thrift stores as well as more specialised vintage stores. The history of denim’s influence and the presence of certain brands in your country also influence what you’ll be able to find.

In concept vintage stores, you’re likely to find some interesting jeans, as well as other vintage pieces like leather jackets, shirts, and even boots. However, if you are looking for a real bargain most of the time you’re in the wrong spot these people know the value of vintage Levi’s and similar, and you are going to pay for it.

The vintage Levi’s denim jacket featured in this article has the following features:

  • 2 chest pockets
  • Small e tab on the chest pocket
  • No hand warmer pockets
  • Orange stitching
  • Single row stitching adjacent to the buttonhole
  • Label stating 70500 04

Based on extensive research on the topic, we’ve put together our guidelines for how to determine the production date of vintage Levi’s denim jackets.

Have a look below to find out how old your jacket is.

Hand Warmer Pockets: Yes (mid 80 – present)

The first important and easy way to determine the difference in the period is looking if the jacket has two hand warmer pockets. If they are there then it’s from the mid-1980 until the present. In this period, Levi’s has produced a lot of colours and stonewashes. The jackets have four pockets and a small e tab.

Hand Warmer Pockets: No (71 – mid-80)

If your jacket doesn’t feature hand warmer pockets but still has the small e red tab it’s dating from 71 till mid-80s. To define the right period, there are subtle differences of the stitching adjacent to the bottom buttonhole.

Double row stitching: Yes (71 – mid-80)

If your jacket has a double row stitching adjacent to the buttonhole and only two chest pockets, then it’s from the same period, 71 till mid-80s.

Identify this button/rivet - History

In this story about the &ldquoLEE&rdquo Brand Name, we will combine the history of both the Lee Jeans and the Jackets Products they manufactured since these products actually evolved from the work wear clothing line the Lee Company started with after its inception.

H.D. Lee Merchantile Co. opened in 1889 as a wholesale quality grocer and only later became a work wear manufacturer. In 1911, due to unreliable shipments from their suppliers, H.D. Lee Merchantile was prompted to produce their first line of work wear garments including the now famous vintage Lee Bib Overall. These overalls were made of 8 oz. denim and had a multifunctional breast pocket with a button fly . In 1926 Lee introduced slide fasteners on the bib overall straps to offer a better fit to the wearer. In 1913, H.D. Lee developed the &ldquocoverall&rdquo which combined the jacket with a bib overall being stitched together. With this, the Lee Union-All was created. This product, dubbed the &ldquoUnion-All&rdquo was commissioned by the U.S. Army and was the official fatigue uniform during World War I. Later the words &ldquoUNION MADE&rdquo were included with the Lee Brand Name on many of its labels.

In 1921, Lee introduced its&rsquo first &ldquoRailroad Jacket&rdquo. Designed specifically for railroad workers, it was named the Loco Jacket and its&rsquo detail features were actually tested by the railroad workers themselves. About the end of the 1920&rsquos Lee introduced the first denim jacket with a zipper closure known as the 91. This work wear line included the Lee 91 and Lee 191 series jacket. These work wear jackets could be identified by a house silhouette on the jacket tab, also noting the description &ldquoJelt Denim and Sanforized&rdquo. In addition to the name Lee on the label, the famous &ldquoUNION MADE&rdquo also appeared. So up to this time, Lee was famous for providing industrial clothing as well as garments for railroad workers. Lee continued to emphasize work wear specifically for certain types of &ldquoworker trades&rdquo. In addition to the earlier described railroad jacket, in 1927 Lee introduced the &ldquoLogger dungarees featuring wider hips, watch pockets and suspender buttons.

It was in 1922 that Lee first introduced the Buddy Lee Doll , a choice of many vintage collectors today. They proved so successful that dolls were created featuring many different outfits.

However, times were changing and in addition to their leadership in denim workwear, by the mid 1920&rsquos Lee recognized a greater need to supply western wear for cowboys and rodeo riders. In 1924, Lee introduced the Lee Cowboy Pants. The first Lee Cowboy pants were made in 13 oz. denim and were known as 101 jeans . These jeans, now part of the Lee &ldquoRiders&rdquo product line, did not carry that label until the mid 1940&rsquos. The word &ldquoRider&rdquo appeared from time to time, but it wasn&rsquot until the 1940&rsquos that the actual product range existed. In this model, Lee removed the back pocket rivets and in their place introduced bar tacking however rivets did remain on the crotch and front pockets. This early model of the 101 became known eventually as the 101B once H.D. Lee introduced the zipper version 101Z. In 1925, Lee introduced its exclusive fabric, Jelt Denim. It was 11.5 oz. denim but had the durability of 13 oz. denim due to its tight weave and twisted yarn.

As a side note, the zipper was invented in 1893 and perfected in 1913. It was originally called the Hookless fastener. In the 1920&rsquos and 30&rsquos, the Talon and Scovill companies were dominant in the expansion and use of zipper fasteners. It was also in the early 1930&rsquos that sanforization was perfected and was more widely used in the manufacture of denim products.

Sometime in the late 1920&rsquos or early 1930&rsquos, Lee manufactured its first bib overall made with a zipper and called the &ldquoLEE WHIZIT&rdquo. During this same period, Lee also added a zipper to their cowboy pants and hence the name 101Z. It was also during this same period that Lee introduced two new work wear fabrics, Hickory Striped Denim and Color Fast Herringbone twill. Due to this, Hickory Striped Denim became synonymous with work wear garments.

However in 1931, Lee introduced the famous Lee 101J (Jelt) denim jacket. It was a slim jacket that had inward slanting breast pockets and a wide waistband. This jacket was introduced with the cowboy in mind and they were to continue to be produced for several decades. The &ldquoSlim&rdquo Jacket was the first shorter, more tailored western-style jacket and was later to be included under the Rider Label. These jackets, like most early versions of Lee Western Wear Jacket had three versions of pocket tags and labels which can be used to determine the approximate time they were manufactured. The first had only the marking &ldquoLee&rdquo. The second used in the 1960&rsquos had the &ldquoLee ®&rdquo in the name. The Third version used since the 1970&rsquos had the &ldquoLee ® MR&rdquo in the name.

In 1933, Lee launched what was to become one of its most famous designs, the Storm Rider Jacket . It was a winter version of the &ldquoSlim&rdquo jacket Lee 101J which was launched in 1931 and it featured a blanket lining and corduroy collar. Early versions of the Storm Rider had embroidered labels but later became printed labels instead. These jackets had labels denoted as Lee 101LJ (Lined and Jelt) and Lee 101J (Jelt). Those manufactured since the 1970&rsquos had the ® MR next to the name.

In 1936, Lee introduced the &ldquoHair on Hide&rdquo label the Companies first leather label. The Lee logo was branded directly onto the cowhide.

It was in 1943 that the H.D. Lee Mercantile Co. became the H.D. Lee Inc. In was also in the 1940&rsquos that the &ldquoHair on Hide&rdquo label evolved into the &ldquoTwitch&rdquo or leather label we see on jeans today.

In 1949, Lee launched the Lady Lee Rider line, a womens wear counterpart to the already existing Rider Line.

In the 1950&rsquos, Lee introduced the Lee Westerner 100J with its white or colored twill and slimmer silhouette. The purpose was to give their customers something to wear on more &ldquodress up&rdquo occasions. These jackets carried a Model Number of 100J. Lee Westerner Jackets came in white, black, brown, blue and Khaki. When they were manufactured can be determined by the registered trademark on the label.

The Lee 109JY series was manufactured as part of the ongoing series of Lee 100 western wear jackets. The fabric used was of a lighter weight and the back of the jacket had no fasteners.

Uncovering the Secret Identity of Rosie the Riveter

In 1942, 20-year-old Naomi Parker was working in a machine shop at the Naval Air Station in Alameda, California, when a photographer snapped a shot of her on the job. In the photo, released through the Acme photo agency, she’s bent over an industrial machine, wearing a jumpsuit and sensible heels, with her hair tied back in a polka-dot bandana for safety.

On January 20, 2018, less than two years after finally getting recognition as the woman in the photograph—thought to be the inspiration for the World War II-era poster girl “Rosie the Riveter”—Naomi Parker Fraleydied at the age of 96.

Fraley’s late-in-life fame came as the result of the dedicated efforts made by one scholar, James J. Kimble, to explore the history behind this American and feminist icon and to untangle the legends surrounding the famous poster. “There are so many incredible myths about it, very few of them based even remotely in fact,” Kimble says.

The poster in question was originally produced in 1943 by the Westinghouse Electric Corporation and displayed in its factories to encourage more women to join the wartime labor force. Created by the artist J. Howard Miller, it featured a woman in a red-and-white polka-dot headscarf and blue shirt, flexing her bicep beneath the phrase “We Can Do It!”

Although it’s ubiquitous now, the poster was only displayed by Westinghouse for a period of two weeks in February 1943, and then replaced by another one in a series of at least 40 other promotional images, few of which included women. “The idea that we have now that she was famous and everywhere during the war—not even close to true,” says Kimble.

Kimble, an associate professor of communication at Seton Hall University in New Jersey, began studying the “We Can Do It” poster due to his interest in the propaganda that was used on the home front during World War II.

During the war, Miller’s poster was far less well known than the image of a female worker created by a much more famous artist: Norman Rockwell. Published on the cover of the Saturday Evening Post on May 29, 1943,Rockwell’s painting depicts a woman in a blue work jumpsuit with a rivet gun in her lap, a sandwich in her hand and a copy of “Mein Kampf” under her foot. The woman’s lunch box reads “Rosie,” which linked her with a popular song released that same year called “Rosie the Riveter,” by Redd Evans and John Jacob Loeb.

Naomi Parker, Ada Parker, and Frances Johnson representing war work fashion at the Alameda U.S. Naval Air Station. 

Bettmann Archive/Getty Images

But in the 1980s, Miller’s “We Can Do It!” poster resurfaced with a bang, and was widely reprinted on T-shirts, mugs, pins and many other products. Kimble believes this resurgence was due to a combination of factors, including Reagan-era budget cuts, which led the National Archives to license the image to sell souvenirs and raise money the 40th anniversary of World War II and the continuing push for women’s rights. Adopted as a feminist symbol of strength and an icon of American wartime resilience, the woman in the poster was retroactively identified as Rosie the Riveter, too, and quickly became the most widely recognizable “Rosie.”

For years, people believed that a Michigan woman named Geraldine Hoff Doyle was the model for the poster. Doyle, who had worked briefly as a metal presser in a factory in 1942, saw a photograph of a bandanna-clad woman working at an industrial lathe reprinted in a magazine in the 1980s, and identified the woman as her younger self she later linked this photo to Miller’s famous poster. By the 1990s, media reports were identifying Doyle as the “real-life Rosie the Riveter,” a claim that was widely repeated for years, including inDoyle’s obituary in 2010.

But Kimble wasn’t so sure. “How do we know that?” he says of his initial reaction to reading that Doyle was the woman in the image that (supposedly) inspired Miller’s poster. 𠇎verything else we think we know about that poster is dubious. How do we know about her?”

Though he already knew the artist had no descendants, and had left limited papers behind, with no clue of who his model might have been, Kimble began looking into the 1942 photograph. And after five years of searching, he found “the smoking gun,” as he calls it𠅊 copy of the photograph with the original caption glued on the back. Dated March 1942 at the Naval Air Station in Alameda, it identified “Pretty Naomi Parker” as the woman at the lathe.

Here is the original caption, which speaks volumes about how women working in factories during the war were seen:

“Pretty Naomi Parker is as easy to look at as overtime pay on the week’s check. And she’s a good example of an old contention that glamor is what goes into the clothes, and not the clothes. Pre-war fashion frills are only a discord in war-time clothing for women. Naomi wears heavy shoes, black suit, and a turban to keep her hair out of harm’s way (we mean the machine, you dope).”

Naomi Parker, more famously known as Rosie the Riveter, working in heels at the Alameda Naval Air station during WWII.

Bettmann Archive/Getty Images

Meanwhile, in California, Naomi Parker Fraley had already stumbled on the truth herself. In 2011, at a reunion of female war workers, she saw the Acme photo of the woman at the lathe on display and recognized herself. Then she saw the caption, with Geraldine Hoff Doyle’s name and information. Fraley wrote to the National Park Service to correct the error, but got nowhere, even though she had kept a clipping of the photo from a 1942 paper with her name in the caption.

𠇍oyle’s tale was so believable by that point, and so widely accepted that even the original clipping couldn’t convince people otherwise,” Kimble says. “So when I called [Fraley], she was just delighted that someone was willing to listen to her side of the story.”

In 2016, Kimble published an article revealing his findings in the journal Rhetoric & Public Affairs, called “Rosie’s Secret Identity.”ਊt the time, the New York Times reported, Fraley gave an interview to the Omaha World-Herald in which she gave a simple yet memorable description of how it felt to finally be known to the world as the real-life Rosie: “Victory! Victory! Victory!”

People magazine also sent a crew to her rural California home, complete with makeup artist and lighting technician, and did a photo shoot of the then 95-year-old dressed like her presumed alter ego in Miller’s poster.

Doubt still remains, however, as to whether the photo of Naomi Parker—which was published in Miller’s hometown newspaper, The Pittsburgh Press, in July 1942—was in fact the inspiration for Miller’s image. Without confirmation from the artist, who died in 1985, there is only the physical resemblance between the woman in the photo and the woman in the poster𠅊nd, of course, the polka-dot bandana—to go by. 

All that was beside the point for Naomi Parker Fraley, Kimble believes. “I think the most important thing to her was her identity. When there’s a photo of you going around that people recognize, and yet somebody else’s name is below it, and you’re powerless to change that—that’s really going to affect you.”

When he interviewed her, he says, “there was an anguish that she felt. A powerlessness. The idea that this journal article, and the media picking it up and spreading the story, helped her regain her claim on that photo and her personal identity was really the big victory for her.”

Identify this button/rivet - History

The largest database of early British Military Buttons

The Early British Military Button Project aims to record new finds and provide the most definitive resource of these artefacts and covers the militias, volunteers and yeomanry units.

​ Whilst there are some sites and books that deal with the Regular Regiments of Cavalry, Infantry and the few Corps of the period, there are very few on the ever expanding finds of these smaller irregular units.

Many of these units we know little about and often the only surviving artefacts we know of, to even physically show they ever existed, are their uniform buttons. Recording find spots of unusual or unknown types can help allocate identities to previously non-confirmed issues and can often be the crucial final piece of evidence needed.

Today many hundreds a year are discovered by metal detectorists, many of which are unknown and would remain unrecorded as there has not been anywhere to record and identify these items. Thus every day we were seeing knowledge drip away as these little pieces of our history are often discarded as 'interesting but unidentifiable'.

 Our key aim.
Is to bring together all the sides interested in these artefacts, our history and heritage, from the militaria collectors and academics to responsible detectorists who of course would like to have their finds identified and if of an unknown type recorded, thus adding to our knowledge of this fascinating period of our history.

So if you have found something unusual or are trying to ID something you cant find on here, please feel free to send it in and we will do our best to help.

This is a huge project and one which will run for many years as we record not only new types but put up all the known types so people can benefit from the knowledge that is already out there.

How To Identify Vintage Levi's

An ideal closet typically contains at least one perfect pair of blue jeans. But because of its versatility and variety, people usually never settle for just one pair. Blue jeans have become a staple piece of clothing. Its uses range from work to after-office parties to leisurely walks in a mall. With the right accessories, it can be transformed from one look to another.

Among the popular brands of jeans, Levi’s pioneered the use of blue jeans in 1873. Levi’s originated from the creative minds of Levi Strauss and Jacob Davis. Initially called as “waist overalls,” the two business partners decided to manufacture a new kind of work clothing for miners and men who perform manual labor. Because if its fine workmanship and sturdy material, it soon became a household name, and the rest, as they say, is history.

After more than a century when it was first launched to the public, Levi’s continues to be an in demand article of clothing. With the rich history that every pair comes with, it is no surprise that the brand now enjoys the fancy of most people, especially the ones who collect vintage items. What are considered to be vintage Levi’s items are those that were produced earlier than the 1980s. In order to determine whether a pair is vintage or not, you can look at some particular details of your item. Here is a short and simple guide to help you identify vintage Levi’s:

In collecting vintage Levi’s, aside from checking its vintage status, make sure your pair is an authentic one as well. Aside from the excitement that a vintage pair brings, the knowledge that the pair comes with a rich history is more than enough reason to own a vintage pair.

Beyond Dinnerware

Carl Romanelli, who designed some of the most highly sought after Metlox dinnerware patterns in the late 1930s and early '40s, also sculpted bud vases and figurines to look like nudes, animals, and sea life. These continue to bring good prices in the collecting community, especially the nudes.

Under Shaw's command, a freehand stoneware designer named Helen Slater later produced a line of giftware for Metlox called Poppets. These whimsical creations were made of natural earthenware and hand-thrown. Specially colored glazes and hand-carved faces gave them unique appeal when they were new. In all, 88 different Poppets were produced with the Metlox name stamped on the bottom, and each came with a special box. A clever eight-piece band set was even commissioned by the Salvation Army.

The company produced figural cookie jars and a number of ceramic figurines known as the "nostalgia" line. These generally feature vintage-style automobiles, horse-drawn carriages, trolleys, and other old-timey modes of transportation.

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